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Post by Jaga on Jan 8, 2008 10:00:32 GMT -7
I am for universal healthcare system but.... in order to work the country needs to have enough money from tax-payers to pay for it.
Poles do not want to increase taxes to pay for it, still they want to have a good healthcare - which is impossible.
The terrible state of the healthcare in Poland is now one of the top news topics. There is a conflict between the doctors and the hospital directors, some hospitals are in terrible debts, something has to change to save the healthcare for Poles.
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Post by freetobe on Jan 8, 2008 12:17:51 GMT -7
Jaga,
I thought you were referring to the U.S. the problems being so similar. And I do agree with you on a plan for a national health care system funded by corporate and worker taxes. I do not know enough about Poland's current method for health care coverage, so can't comment, other then to say providing health care in a manner that is both reasonable and profitable is a global problem. Stay healthy or at least try.
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Post by livia on Jan 8, 2008 13:30:32 GMT -7
Is the health system in Poland really broken? There're problems in the public sector. For some surgeries patients have to wait a long time. Accessebility of first contact public care physician is far from 'smooth' in some regions of Poland. But the public system still works and no one, not even the jobless, homeless and pennyless in urgent need is deprived of medical help including quite costly inteventions. Free. I sometimes wonder how we are still able to carry that burden. We are still working hard (and happy!!) to complete the transition. But I am too for universal health care for 100% of population and a good one. The deep reforms just being started, the md's in public heath are to earn decent money at last, just as those in pivate sector already do. The patients who are capable and eager to pay for private insurance have long forgotten lines already. EAGER - as some still think the state (we all) is to do all for them health-wise, pension-wise, insurance-wise....
If we compare some of the health care system performance indices we can see that Poland is doing well ( and I did compare some time ago out of personal reasons). In fact Poland does better than US in some indicators and especially the most important indicator which is infant mortality. And in some parts of the health care Poland is among the leaders. For instance we have a universal free screening
hearing tests for infants. Meaning that every newborn in Poland has the hearing tested electronically and to those needing help the help is provided. And other acheivements of this type I don't exactly remember specifically at the moment... No, I wouldn't say 'Polish health system is broken' ;D ;D ;D Needs reforms, yes!
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Post by Pawian on Jan 8, 2008 14:00:28 GMT -7
People are so stupid.
First, they don`t care about their health, they smoke and drink, eat fatty foods, have a couch-potato lifestyle, never take exercise, work like crazy without relax etc etc.
And when they get a cancer, heart attack or spine defect, they run to a hospital or clinic and are very surpirsed to learn that the waiting time is a month or longer......
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Post by bescheid on Jan 8, 2008 14:43:14 GMT -7
People are so stupid. First, they don`t care about their health, they smoke and drink, eat fatty foods, have a couch-potato lifestyle, never take exercise, work like crazy without relax etc etc. And when they get a cancer, heart attack or spine defect, they run to a hospital or clinic and are very surprised to learn that the waiting time is a month or longer...... Ok This is an opportunity of begging to be approached. Let for instance the people to eat and be merry, for tomorrow, they well surly die... Ok, let us then to purchase a very much large land space, built upon the perimeter, a very large pleasant stone fence wall. Then to obtain necessary licenses for health disposal. We may then with this very willing soon to be disposed by death population. To offer of our services for burial in our newly acquired fields of poppies and stone. Or, they may disappoint us, by becoming so healthy we would then face becoming broke and very unhappy. Ok, ok I will now return to my dreams of returning to the fishing fleet. Charles |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 8, 2008 15:11:38 GMT -7
To all,
When on my last visit, this past May 2007, I had need to go to the doctor, in Warsaw. So my friend, took me to a privat doctor who spoke English at a private clinic, and my friend told me it would cost more, but I would get faster service. I got a full check up and a EKG, the same one I get with the same epuipement they have at my V.A. Hospital, that I go to, Hines, and when done and time to pay the bill, I was told the total was $29.00 American. And the service was great. Again, this was private, and had great service, with a caring doctor.
This same thing here in the U.S.A. would be very much more, several times more.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by valpomike on Jan 8, 2008 15:15:17 GMT -7
To all,
My Uncle, who lives in Warsaw, is a retired Doctor, and his wife is a Nurse, and many others, family and friend, think the health care is great in Poland. Don't they know what they are talking of, or do they get special service, due to me? Ask the ones who live there, and use the service, I did.
Michael Dabrowski
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Post by Pawian on Jan 8, 2008 15:30:19 GMT -7
To all, When on my last visit, this past May 2007, I had need to go to the doctor, in Warsaw. So my friend, took me to a privat doctor who spoke English at a private clinic, and my friend told me it would cost more, but I would get faster service. I got a full check up and a EKG, the same one I get with the same epuipement they have at my V.A. Hospital, that I go to, Hines, and when done and time to pay the bill, I was told the total was $29.00 American. And the service was great. Again, this was private, and had great service, with a caring doctor. This same thing here in the U.S.A. would be very much more, several times more. Michael Dabrowski Yes, it is so. But the 29$ you spent is the amount you earn in an hour or less in the USA. For average Poles it is about 100 PLN, earned during two or three days. |
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Post by freetobe on Jan 8, 2008 20:24:06 GMT -7
oh dear,
Another issue raised by Jaga with no substance. Based on the replys of the most vocal members of the forum, health care is not a major problem in Poland. So what is this about? Another attempt to get the mouths on the forum to spout once again?
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Post by Pawian on Jan 9, 2008 3:36:31 GMT -7
oh dear, Another issue raised by Jaga with no substance. Based on the replys of the most vocal members of the forum, health care is not a major problem in Poland. So what is this about? Another attempt to get the mouths on the forum to spout once again? O la la, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed again? hahahahaha You are too sour now. Yes, the subject has been reappearing for months now, but I don`t think this edition of it is unnecessary. It is very informative because Mike joined in with the description of his experience in Warsaw and as a consequence I had a chance to explain sth and teach him. Of course, you can keep your opinion which I consider unfair. Suppose I come in the General Threads with such remarks when people discuss American politics again and again and you also take part in those discussions? How would you feel if I enterdragoned such a thread, possibly the one started by you, and said that everything there is boring and known? I am sorry for this but I feel you need some tuition and I am happy to offer it to you. hahahahahahahaha |
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Post by valpomike on Jan 9, 2008 7:33:46 GMT -7
Pawian,
Than, why, when asked, my family, and friends, living in Warsaw, and around, do not think this is unfair, and are happy with this set up as it is? Are they not the average Polish person? Do they not know better?
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Post by Pawian on Jan 9, 2008 9:04:29 GMT -7
Pawian, Than, why, when asked, my family, and friends, living in Warsaw, and around, do not think this is unfair, and are happy with this set up as it is? Are they not the average Polish person? Do they not know better? Michael Dabrowski Possible explanations: 1. They are well-off. 2. They have lost hope for the improvement of the Polish health care system long ago and realise they have to pay in order to get faster and sometimes better treatment. |
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Post by Jaga on Jan 9, 2008 9:53:36 GMT -7
Michael, interesting input with how much you paid for your thourough examination in Poland with EKG. Livia, I agree somewhat. Yes, in Poland it is just easier to go to the doctor and get the advice. There is also a chance of more preventive medicine (since it is just free to go there and get advice). In the US people think twice before going to the doctor since it is expensive! What I noticed, in is hard to get a real treatment when you are really sick or old. When my mother was very sick... the hospital in Poland refused to accept her because she is not a success story. Besides, in the US the care is much more intensive, in Poland people may be kept in the hospitals but they do not get a good treatment. The corruption is a very bad problem. Pawian, thanks for pointing up to freetobe/Joan that her rambling does not make any sense. She was banned before for her unreasonable posts. I am not banning her yet, since I feel pity for her. She needs some outlets to channel her frustrations and it is better to let her do it in the forum, where we are used to people having bad days than in the real live among her family and friends. She loves to direct her frustrations towards me, probably since she does not like any authority.  |
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Post by rdywenur on Jan 9, 2008 10:13:29 GMT -7
Jaga, From my personal experiences I have never met anyone that hesitated to see a Dr for whatever reason. (and I am assuming it is because we all have health insurance) Those that don't are usually on Medicaid or some other type of assistance and they also do not hesitate to go to the Dr's for whatever reason. (probably why healthcare has risen so high) Maybe if they are denied they might do so I don't know but this thinking twice to go to the Drs is news to me.
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Post by Jaga on Jan 9, 2008 10:44:17 GMT -7
Jaga, From my personal experiences I have never met anyone that hesitated to see a Dr for whatever reason. (and I am assuming it is because we all have health insurance) Those that don't are usually on Medicaid or some other type of assistance and they also do not hesitate to go to the Dr's for whatever reason. (probably why healthcare has risen so high) Maybe if they are denied they might do so I don't know but this thinking twice to go to the Drs is news to me. Chris, when Ela was younger I meet sometimes with the mother's group. I know some of my friends hesitated before going with the child to the doctor, since it is so expensive even if you have an insurance. Once one girl had an accident, in Poland we would immediately try to call a doctor, here the mother waited until she was sure that this is not a serious condition... and she never went to the doctor. |
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