piwo
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Post by piwo on Jan 7, 2006 8:33:02 GMT -7
How many people died in Istanbul yesterday? Shouldn't the forum dedicate it's resources to recording each and every one and giving them their proper tribute? Ok, so I'm exaggerating, but the contention that we in the USA should somehow be equally concerned with the passing of every strangers life equally in the world is just as exaggerated. And it finally comes out, it's not the deaths, it's the deaths in "Bush's War" that have you so upset. As for the war, I'll refrain from further comment on it. We see it in different turns, and can only aggravate each other with a dialog on it, so I'll recuse myself....
As I said previously, all deaths (that are known) are reported somewhere locally, and locally is where it hurts the most. I have mild empathy if I hear a bus turned over on a mountain pass in Pakistan killing 12 people, I have much more feeling about a school bus from our school district that overturns killing one and injuring 11. I have even more if someone I know or love is involved. The Pakistan incident will get reported nationally, the school bus probably not, (maybe 5 were killed), but I know which one is more important to me as an American, and as a member of my community.
Is it really any different anywhere else in the world? This is an international forum, so for those of you fortunate to not be living in the USA, what do your stations report?
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Post by Jaga on Jan 7, 2006 9:31:23 GMT -7
***Is it really any different anywhere else in the world? This is an international forum, so for those of you fortunate to not be living in the USA, what do your stations report? ***
The interesting thing is that Polish mass media focus on what is going on in America as like America was next to Poland but they do not talk, maybe they do not know what is going somewhere else sometimes.
You are right we should not talk about Iraq.
As for the deaths - I guess there is some proportion about how many deaths we talk about. LEt see it from American perspective:
sudden death of 10 people in the USA - is equal to the death of 30 Am. soldiers in Iraq - this in turns is equal to the death of about 50 people in Europe - and 1000 in Bangladesz and then probably 100,000 in Africa. What do you all think? Is the death equal anywhere in the world?
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Post by pieter on Jan 7, 2006 10:18:54 GMT -7
Recently the American mass media focus a lot on a tragedy of 12 miners - and one who survived. This is really a tragedy, also in Poland we had several mining accidents, it is always hard to hear about the loss of human lives On the other hand just today and yesterday the information about a death of 5 later updated as 8 American soldiers in Iraq just slipped through the mass media as like.... nothing really happen. As like the life of these soldiers was not important because - either they are jsut destined to die or they are so far.... not even mention the life of other 140 Iraqis... I do not understand this at all - anybody would explain me why the values of human life are so different? Jaga, In the Duch media the American soldiers are always mentioned, just as the Iraqi civilian victims. These soldiers were part of 120 people who were killed on that day in Iraq. Pieter
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piwo
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Post by piwo on Jan 7, 2006 12:13:55 GMT -7
we're talking news coverage I presume in the USA?
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Post by Jaga on Jan 7, 2006 19:53:04 GMT -7
we're talking news coverage I presume in the USA? Yes, but this is similar in another countries except that some smaller countries pay more attention to what is going on abroad. A value of hman life is unequal. Referring to Aruba story. My father in law would say the same - this was a coverup in another country. But - I heard about so many people - family members, American citizens who were kidnapped in other countries - the friend's roomate father was kidnapped in Columbia and... you cannot find anything even in the local news about it!
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Post by Jaga on Jan 8, 2006 9:34:51 GMT -7
Just some update - 12 marines are believe to be killed in helicopter accident as for Sunday morning (1-8-06). In separate accidents also 5 Am. soldiers died, do I hear anything in the news about it? just in the close captions at the bottom of the screen.
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Post by Jaga on Jan 14, 2006 10:33:05 GMT -7
Another example. Americans just bombed a small hamlet in Pakistan in order to target Zarquawi. Zarquawi was not there but 17-18 people was killed. Does it matter? Woudl Americans carry out the same action in Seattle for instance, in Germany or Poland? I do not think so....
What about 12 miners being killed - lots of talk, 28 Am. Soldiers in the same time - little talk. Do you think we would hear anything about funeral for the victims of this american attack?
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Post by jimpres on Jan 14, 2006 17:02:08 GMT -7
Jaga,
I see this news all the time on Fox news, even now as I write the Pakistan bombing is being talked about. Looking for DNA etc. And the Blackhawk down was on as wall as the Russian stabbing.
Jim
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Post by Jaga on Jan 14, 2006 21:54:42 GMT -7
Jaga, I see this news all the time on Fox news, even now as I write the Pakistan bombing is being talked about. Looking for DNA etc. And the Blackhawk down was on as wall as the Russian stabbing. Jim Jim, so what Fox News was talking about it? did they express any sorrow for killing civilians or these killed people are just of lesser value, so it does not matter?
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Post by jimpres on Jan 15, 2006 19:42:56 GMT -7
Jaga,
You don't get much sorrow from any media they just report the statistics. At least they show all the news and in most cases without a twist.
Jim
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Post by Jaga on Jan 16, 2006 16:13:12 GMT -7
Jaga, You don't get much sorrow from any media they just report the statistics. At least they show all the news and in most cases without a twist. Jim It is not the media who killes 18 people in Pakistan. Did American goverment apologized for this killing? How would you feel if Mexican government would ask and get the permission from Am. government to hount Mexican terrorist in Florida - and then Mexicans would kill 18 Floridians just as colateral damage?
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Post by jimpres on Jan 16, 2006 17:53:44 GMT -7
If they were hunting down ruthless killers of innocent people I would have no problem with it. If we don't try to kill the terrorists they will continue to kill us where ever we are. Should we not have dropped bombs on Germany and Penemunda Flats? When should we decide our individual lifes are in imment danger of death and then fight back or alternatively just let them kill us? Should we not value life including our own?
Jim
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Post by kaima on Jan 16, 2006 22:52:05 GMT -7
Hunting down ruthless killers, yes. Killing terrorists, yes. Valuing life, yes.
Killing so many innocent people so regularly shows our system of "intelligence" to be fatally flawed. It is not worth losing more of our national reputation bumbling about, killing innocents and generating more hatred through our carelessness. We should have a stand-down and consider how we can do a better job.
As it is we are generating more terrorists than we are killing.
Kai
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Post by jimpres on Jan 16, 2006 23:09:10 GMT -7
Kai,
I guess we should become isolationists and let the rest of the world deal with there own problems. I'm sure the mullas will not stop teaching children from 5 years or age to18 to hate America and the Israelis. And Iran should be allowed to have nukes and keep it's promise to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. And we should not dispute the stated Iranian fact that the holocaust did not happen. I had family in Stutthof and papers to prove it. You want to believe the Iranians and terriorists be my guest. Life is sacred to most of us but not them.
Jim
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Post by leslie on Jan 17, 2006 2:24:30 GMT -7
I guess we should become isolationists and let the rest of the world deal with there own problems. Jim Jim You would be surprised at the number of ordinary British people who say exactly the same thing! Because of the Blair-Bush friendship, the UK was drawn into a war that nobody wanted to enter 'as friends'. Isolationism stopped the US entering two World Wars until late and until they were forced to by other factors. We even had to pay dearly for the out of date warships the US so kindly sold us and for which we were paying in cash and kind for many subsequent years. CocaCola - wonderful for taking rust and discolouration off metal objects - what does it do to your stomach?! I see a lot of fat people coming out of our local McD's!!!! I am sure Europe and the US can be friends without any isolationism (that is 19th century idealism) and can learn to support each other without creating animosity. I've just remembered a saying that used to be quoted near the end of WWII - The troubles with the Yanks are that they are Overpaid, Over sexed, and Over Here!'. Leslie (in friendship)
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