forza
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Post by forza on Nov 17, 2005 13:32:34 GMT -7
In real life? You think we wouldn't stand a chance? Yes, I think we could throw ourselves againist the odds. I am not that sure I understand your question well enough. As a nation I think with some help of nationalism and religion we are capable of commiting a crusade. Now, reffering to our famous run on horses against the tanks during IIww it turned out to be not truth.
Nancy, I was a peacemaker in Leslie Raytan conflict because I though Leslie was female!!! Seriously.....No place here to explain that moral virtue of mine here but I am cerainly capable of some brutality, especially verbal.
Jerzy! I AM NOT nationalist. I don't like Germans too. My female friend says she doesn't like Denish or Swedish guys. She says they are very gay compared to German guy who she says are dirty minded. You see. Everybody is entailted to have an opinion. BTW I don't think our people are that wonderfull, too.
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Post by bescheid on Nov 17, 2005 14:14:37 GMT -7
Hi Kai, You are so correct to with the transportation issue in Russia, it is a very expensive block to transportation expansion. It is just that the country is not only so very vast, but, some of the climate conditions create a very real engineering challenge. You are so correct on with the opportunity in Russia with the many challenges of change, and foreign investment opportunities that are begging for attention. For one such project in the works: Daimler/Chyrsler, at present are in consideration of mass production of hydrogen powered vehicles for 2006. It is my humble opinion that at present date and well into the far future, Russia will be an excellent partner in business opportunity. With this should bring about, manufacturing expansion, with related work opportunities. This in turn will require a higher grade of general education and related work ethic requirement. But all of this, I am confident, will relate to a better way of life for the Ivan and Olga's and their families. And, perhaps an improvement of some meat markets for assurance of good uniform health codes and public safety programmes. newsfromrussia.com/science/2005/06/03/60125.htmlOld ideas, out dated thinking, is out, change is a requirement for the very near future. Those who fail to change, will be regulated to the back burner of opportunity. This is not an opinion of just my self, I am worn out from life,but, I still have a brain that works. Perhaps Mr. Eric will further enlighten us on what he observes and knows of these developments. It is his area of expertise as he lives and works there. Charles
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Yanc
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Post by Yanc on Nov 17, 2005 15:23:24 GMT -7
Hi My question: Are all you Polish folks, so loving of freedom? You would sacrifice your selves against a Superior force and numbers? For over 200 years my country was under occupation by hostile countries. They tried to make us forget the language, traditions and customs. Some of them tried hard to kill us all. As you know - no one of them succeed. Many polish generations were raised in extremaly hostile enviroment, with a risk of being killed or enslaved everyday. We are natural born freedom fighters, at all wars and uprisings in our history we fought heavily outnumbered and outgunned. Polish guerillas was fighting since first day of every war. Between late 1700 and early 1900 there was uprisng as every next generation was raised (somtimes even more often). And if you asked, I will answer - Yes I would sacrifice myself against superior hostile force. And even if I by myself would not succeed, I believe we Polish folks, as a whole can stand up against any odds and win, or die trying. Yanc
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forza
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Post by forza on Nov 17, 2005 15:37:24 GMT -7
Yanc, Have you considered a career in politics? ;D
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Post by bescheid on Nov 17, 2005 15:54:42 GMT -7
Dear Yanc, Your words from the heart, transfers to my self, not only your words, but, your feeling of your own personal convictions. I was struck by the intensity. I truly do believe you and am very convinced that your feelings are shared by the vast majority of folks of your country. As a person, by virtue of common education. Yes, even as a non Polish person, I do share an understanding of the untold suffering that was incurred. To say I am so sorry, is not enough, but, it is all I have. www.aw.gov.pl/eng/index.htmlwww.abw.gov.pl/You are most likely very aware of recent changes that have occurred within your government, but, if not in this area, perhaps the above url might be of interest. Charles
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Yanc
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Post by Yanc on Nov 17, 2005 16:09:31 GMT -7
FORZA: NO WAY. I am a patriot not madman.
Bescheid: Thanks, your words made me feel better. An anger was rising in me when I was writing the previous message, now I feel somehow relieved. Good to know that you share my feelings.
Best regards Yanc
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aadam
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Post by aadam on Nov 18, 2005 1:44:41 GMT -7
So was I. But my heart grew with a very positive feeling hard to describe, its' vector oriented on Yanc. But, Charles, since you pose such, well - personal questions - would tell us what are your feelings as an Amercian of German roots? Would you sacrifice youself against superior hostile force? I was also struck by the very special mixture of everything very much Polish - Yanc's straight words of heart, and then Forza's POLOT I love
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Post by justjohn on Nov 18, 2005 4:03:27 GMT -7
Hi My question: Are all you Polish folks, so loving of freedom? You would sacrifice your selves against a Superior force and numbers? For over 200 years my country was under occupation by hostile countries. They tried to make us forget the language, traditions and customs. Some of them tried hard to kill us all. As you know - no one of them succeed. Many polish generations were raised in extremaly hostile enviroment, with a risk of being killed or enslaved everyday. We are natural born freedom fighters, at all wars and uprisings in our history we fought heavily outnumbered and outgunned. Polish guerillas was fighting since first day of every war. Between late 1700 and early 1900 there was uprisng as every next generation was raised (somtimes even more often). And if you asked, I will answer - Yes I would sacrifice myself against superior hostile force. And even if I by myself would not succeed, I believe we Polish folks, as a whole can stand up against any odds and win, or die trying. Yanc Yanc, You can fight by my side anytime of your life. You would be welcome !!!!!!!!
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Post by rdywenur on Nov 18, 2005 4:23:19 GMT -7
Normally, I run a virus Scan once weekly and a ad-ware scan every three days or so. Charles Charles in ref to your quote...you might want to check out this site for great tips on keeping your PC clean. once there (scroll down) look for Security Tango. If you do it do not do out of sequence that is the key. Nick is a computer expert. He teaches here at RIT and has his own show about PC's her on local TV and radio and he is funny. www.asknick.com
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Post by bescheid on Nov 18, 2005 10:35:26 GMT -7
Aadam
I appreciate your post return of your feelings as that of mine of the post of Yanc. Yes, I do ask personal questions of others not because of being nosy, it is that, I am interested. And when interested, I am curious and with a need to learn from others and exchange with them.
I like you and I like Yanc.
Now then, the exchange. You have asked me an excellent question, " Would you sacrifice yourself against superior forces".
An excellent exchange question. I will answer in my best way, that is of my personal feelings and what I would do. I will not give some sort of arm chair tale. But, this is exactly my feelings and would be my total intent:
I am afraid of dying, the fear of pain of death and will to live and survive is so strong within my self, that it is not an option to die for my country or any ideal.
My total will and concentration, is to insure my enemies will die for theirs, and my self with my kind, to survive and prosper over my former enemies. Every force, has a weakness, it would be my will to exploit those weakness to total victory. There is no substitute for victory.
You have asked me this question, that is my reply and total intrinsic feeling. If this makes me an evil person evolved from evil people, good heavens, I simply do not know. I only know my nature and my inner self.
You have also asked me a very personal question that I must answer partially out of experience and that of my intrinsic inner feelings. How do I feel as a German/American.
I would prefer the use of American, because that is where I live. But, my feelings:
Some times, even at my age, I feel saddened when reading or hearing what the Krauts did in the war. The cruelty and murdering of other people rather it be in combat or with the camps. I very well know and understand what happened and of the events. But, I also feel the reasons. I know and understand both sides of the coin very well, but some times, inside it hurts.
Yes, these are my feelings, I do not feel guilt, because I was not in the war. I feel no hate for others, nor, resentment. I feel though, quite badly for those that suffered and died in the war. My sincer wish is if the war had never been.
These are a different times now, we have different problems, all of us together. Our world is round, and it is all we have. The future is ours, for all of us, we must work to make and insure that it will be a good future.
That Aadam, is my reply, all that I am, it may not be enough, but I try to make the best of it.
Charles
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Post by bescheid on Nov 18, 2005 10:53:40 GMT -7
rdy
Thank you for the information...When time allows today, I intend to check that site as I took the liberty to book mark it for later bringing up. Ask Nick. He has his pic and shows a happy and proud man.
Thanks
Charles
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Pawian
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Post by Pawian on Nov 18, 2005 17:12:52 GMT -7
For over 200 years my country was under occupation by hostile countries. They tried to make us forget the language, traditions and customs. We shouldn`t forget, though, that it was Poles themselves who lost their country to foreign powers. We were so corrupt and weak that stronger states easily took advantage of it and partitioned us. Among others, Polish gentry, who usurped themselves the right to hold power, didn`t pay enough phaking taxes to keep a good army. There were no people to defend the country because everybody prefered to live a peaceful life in the phaking countryside. Only after the catastrophe happened, people came to their senses. But it was too late. Yes, it`s true. The saddest thing in it is that we lost almost every war and uprising and we STILL boast of it. This is incredible how we love to plunge into this awful ocean of self-pity and martyrology. Yes, that is true and very sad, indeed. Once I went to another school for my teacher`s exam. During breaks I strolled along the corridorsl looking at notice boards, posters and glass displays on walls. There was one display with famous men in Polish history - most of them were fighters. I thought: Hey, there is something wrong. Where are Polish world-known scientists (only Sklodowska Curie, known as Curie in the West?), writers (only Reymont?), poets (only Milosz ?), painters (?), philosophers ( ), inventors (only Lukasiewicz who invented the oil lamp?), engineers (?) etc etc etc. When others were discovering, writing, inventing, building, creating things for the world, we were only able to gallantly go to war or organize an uprising and then lose it. That is pathetic. Despite my cruel words which may seem shocking to many patriotic Poles, I would probably do the same - sacrifice everything and die trying. The whole history of Polish resistance is set deep inside of me. My reason tells me to critisise Polish past futile sacrifices (e.g. Warsaw Uprising), but my heart, and my genes of many generations of Polish fighters make me believe I would follow their example if the situation required it. I am too much a Pole to behave differently than they did. That is so absurd but I can`t help it.
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forza
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Post by forza on Nov 18, 2005 17:46:58 GMT -7
Indeed we are a very ... strange nation. Look around now how many of us talks bad about Poland, Polacy this, Polacy that, w Polsce jest tak i tak. Sometimes I think Kosinski was right in Painted Bird and other novels where he describe our "condition". It is not that different from what he saw. And there is this saying that a Jew can see one's own country well. With all that beaching going on, picking up wrong people onto public posts, tolerating absurd in a name of freedom and baning freedom to protect doubious morality.... Norma Davis is not sure we will survive as nation, he's not certain we can go through with demoracy (that's in his book! on polish history). Yet, we, them, us, Kaczynskis, Leppers, Walesas, Potockis, Bonieks would all fight to have, to keep it, to cherish or maybe even to ruin it by ourselves. LOL That's what not having it for 4 generations does to you. ;D
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Post by jimpres on Nov 18, 2005 20:20:19 GMT -7
Yanc,
Hooyah ! Jeszcze Polska nie..................
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Yanc
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Post by Yanc on Nov 19, 2005 5:10:44 GMT -7
Indeed we are a very ... strange nation. You're darn right. We are starnge. Jim: ..póki my ¿yjemy. BTW I was raised in Manieczki, where general Józef Wybicki - author of our national anthem lived and died. There is still a museum devoted to him. Sadly, some youngsters from my neighbourhood doesn't even know the lyrics, not to mention they can't sing it. Yanc
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