george
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Post by george on Jan 26, 2007 15:55:15 GMT -7
Joan... The Albany area Bishop is known as one of the most liberal Bishops in the country. He has supported gay priests in the past. He was chosen Bishop of this diosese prior to John Paul. Frankly speaking, i doubt if he would have been chosen during John Pauls pontificate. He didn't tow the Vatican orthodox line. He never would have made it. Unfortunetly, Bishops that have been tapped for the last 25 years or so, have been picked because of their orthodox beliefs, and their " Don't rock the boat attitude". With that kind of philosophy, your going to get monolistic group of men who probably haven't had a original thought in decades.
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Post by sciwriter on Jan 26, 2007 19:02:52 GMT -7
Guys, medical doctor friends are my sources. Note that many gays & lesbians have abnormally large or small hands. The so-called "effeminate" walk of some gays is due to lowered spinal column. Abnormal estrogen biochemistry disturbs transport of calcium, phosphorus & magnesium to bone. Also, estrogens attract fat. Moreover, free radicals can destroy prostaglandins, affecting sexual activity & immune function.
Reseach on the biochemistry is preliminary: thus, no published results yet. Carl
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Post by jeanne on Jan 27, 2007 4:41:53 GMT -7
Joan, I was attempting to be humorous - I guess I wasn't. Holly, I caught your humor. I too remember when "gay" meant happy. I also remember when it was a girls' name. I went to elementary school with a girl named "Gaye". She'd have a tough time nowadays.
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Post by leslie on Jan 27, 2007 9:15:13 GMT -7
I've just caught up with this topic so here is my pennyworth. Jeanne said I would add 'and demonstrating it publicly'. If a person is homosexual (who the hell started calling them 'gay' - a good old traditional word?!) I have no criticism nor have I if their lifestyle is not in the public area. But when homosexual activities are forced on the public, this is when I object. For example, in the big shopping centre near me, I was on the first floor. leaning on the railings waiting for a friend. Two 'men' stopped below me and parted - in so doing they gave each other a full mouth snog - I was nearly sick on them; that is not natural and is excessive public homosexual behaviour. It does not bother me if they walk along holding hands - after all in many African countries this is the norm. but performing what is a natural event between a man and a woman is too much for me. Nothing wrong with them giving each other a hug - my sons and I do this when they come to visit me and later leave. But I suppose it is the un-natural mouth to mouth kissing that gets me. On the subject of homosexual officials of a church, and I suppose it can be applied to all homosexuals if the Bible is taken completely literally, I can't quote the place, but does it not comment on the wrongness and un-naturalness of men having 'relations' with other men? Funnily enough Lesbians do not arouse the same dislikes in me - their public sexual behaviour is little different from that practiced by non-Lesbian women (or am I just biased?!!) Leslie - a crazy mixed up heterosexual
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Post by rdywenur on Jan 27, 2007 14:19:01 GMT -7
Leslie, I tend to agree with you. I think it is the gender. It bothers me but not as much as lesbians do so maybe the men are repulsed by the males and women likewise by females because in nature we are attracted by the opposite sex. In general I have never been bothered by gay men...womens make me gag. I seemed I never had an issue about them until marriage and in your face started to happen. Just yesterday I was watching a new program on tv (Brothers and Sisters) and Sally Field's son on the show is gay and had an encounter with a gay person and they kissed. Gag me with a spoon. So why would Hollywood be pushing this issue in our faces also. So that it be excepted more as they always are testing the waters and outing everyone. I guess I am too old fashioned as I think I will never except this and totally disagree with gay marriages. Yet I feel sorry for these people as I truly believe they were born that way and have no choice in the matter and must suffer by not having opportuinties as we do. So what would be the solution or answer to this as it is not going away. Time will tell.
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Post by george on Jan 27, 2007 18:22:34 GMT -7
Sciwriter.... I'm sorry but your explanation on the physical abnormalities of gays still seems bizarre. I don't know your doctor friends, but if they don't have any medical source backup ( group medical or medical journalistic verification) then i would have severe doubts about it. I have never heard of your doctor friends explanations ever about this phenomenom. It sounds like medical quackery to me. They are out there. Our job is to sort out these theories thru sound medical studies. I doubt if your doctor friends theories have ever been studied by medical experts in this subject. If i were you i would befriend more professionel medical experts.
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Post by sciwriter on Jan 27, 2007 22:52:38 GMT -7
George, the medical profession has primarily relied on clinical observation without waiting for published research to make judgements. For example, in the USA medical doctors advised patients to quit smoking long before studies showed it's associated with lung cancer, heart disease and strokes. Same with minimizing fat intake long before studies showed the relationship of blood lipids and heart disease. Medicine is an not an exact science, and sometimes waiting for published research results is like "waiting for Godot." Carl
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Post by joanzaniskey on Jan 28, 2007 20:02:47 GMT -7
Carl-The medical profession is no different then the rest of us. There is racism, sexism, elitism, arrogance, ignorance, incompetence and homophobia.
George- Seems like we are the only ones here who are not threatened by homosexuality. What a relief .
Joan
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Post by sciwriter on Jan 29, 2007 9:00:28 GMT -7
Joan, agreed! However, research oriented people including me and others whom I know—MD’s, biochemists, etc.—are interested in producing new discoveries that may be beneficial to all humans including homosexuals. We don’t feel threatened by homosexuals, as there’s no reason to be. Thanks. Carl
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Post by pieter on Jan 29, 2007 11:01:06 GMT -7
Carl-The medical profession is no different then the rest of us. There is racism, sexism, elitism, arrogance, ignorance, incompetence and homophobia. George- Seems like we are the only ones here who are not threatened by homosexuality. What a relief . Joan Joan, You are not the only ones, my best friend is gay and a new friend whom I am collaborating in a political website too. I have colleages who are gay too. Have no problem with them at all. I did not react on this topic, because I did not know what to say. It is not my subject, because I am not a regular churchgoer. What we do though overhere (Non-gay and gay) is mock about gays and the stereotypical way of the way some of them behave. I have the idea that some gays have a sort of irony or selfmockery, some of them have a sort of selfhatered (in German called Schwulenselbsthaß). In the Netherlands there is no problem with Gay priests, because it is not an issue. My gay friends respects my being straight and I respect their homosexuality. The only relevant thing for me is that they are good people, a good photographer and a good journalist. Pieter
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Post by joanzaniskey on Jan 29, 2007 11:52:56 GMT -7
Carl, How many research theories have been debunked in the past? I suppose that Mengele thought he was doing humankind a service with his research, just like the U.S. scientists who tested God knows what on black servicemen during WW II, the FBI'S research on the effects of LSD by administering it to human test subjects and U.S. Army and nuclear scientists who exploded A bombs in the Nevada desert with soldiers stationed within range of the nuclear fallout. How any of this "research" benefited any body beats me. It seems to me that your scientist, researcher friends have based their conclusions on anecdotal evidence and not sound studies. As for "not being threatened by homosexuals", it's homosexuality that is scary, not the person. See posts from Leslie and Rdywenur.
Joan
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Post by rdywenur on Jan 29, 2007 16:24:07 GMT -7
Excuse me Joan.....but if I were homophobic then I guess I would not have hung around people that are, have gone to gay dance clubs, know and have friends that are gay. I still don't believe and except everything. Contradiction...maybe or just trying to sort it out. Maybe somethings are meant to be or not to be. But these are my feelings. I don't go to bed with these people so there is a big differnence. And if God wanted them to be outed it wouldn't have taken all these centuries to come to this.
Maybe that is the problem. There is no God anymore so all the wrong is surfacing.
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Post by bescheid on Jan 29, 2007 17:12:01 GMT -7
Excuse me Joan.....but if I were homophobic then I guess I would not have hung around people that are, have gone to gay dance clubs, know and have friends that are gay. I still don't believe and except everything. Contradiction...maybe or just trying to sort it out. Maybe somethings are meant to be or not to be. But these are my feelings. I don't go to bed with these people so there is a big differnence. And if God wanted them to be outed it wouldn't have taken all these centuries to come to this. Maybe that is the problem. There is no God anymore so all the wrong is surfacing. Chris You are correct the entire way, let no others attempt to compromise you. There is a God and he looks after you. Charles
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Post by leslie on Jan 29, 2007 18:52:01 GMT -7
Charles Remember that was GOD created the amoebic forms in the original 'pea-soup' sea; they were all alike and needed the electric atmosphere to push them into forms that could evolve without involvement by Him. Hence the multitude of life forms that now exist, including homos and Lesbians, whether or not they are genetic warps,. It takes little to move development off the evolutionary path. 'Surfacing wrong' has nothing to do with GOD- this is purely deviations from the path of evolution, Leslie
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Post by bescheid on Jan 29, 2007 20:12:00 GMT -7
Charles Remember that was GOD created the amoebic forms in the original 'pea-soup' sea; they were all alike and needed the electric atmosphere to push them into forms that could evolve without involvement by Him. Hence the multitude of life forms that now exist, including homos and Lesbians, whether or not they are genetic warps,. It takes little to move development off the evolutionary path. 'Surfacing wrong' has nothing to do with GOD- this is purely deviations from the path of evolution, Leslie That was a very profound statement Leslie and how well I do agree with you. I think perhaps though, each situation should be taken as a separate life experience. For some times {I have only read of such cases, never 1st hand experience} nature was confused and gave cause for the infant to possess out door plumbing with female primary outer structure that of a female, and of the other way. Whilst from the right hand to the left, a male or female with all the correct physical attributes provided by nature born. I would suspect that person through either life experiences or mental confusion is play acting out their fantasies. And as Pieter has described of some of his friends in the world of art, those folks {homosexual and lesbian} know them selves and do not push their orientation upon others. Also have I observed a very similar situation, but of very infrequent occasions. As my path follows a different route then that would be of those folks and my work place would absolutely prohibit those folks. In actuality, in most cases, I have no idea if a person is lesbian/homosexual unless they were very obvious and/or acting out their particular orientation. All things being as equal, I realize that these folks are an aberration of the norm, I would only suppose that I would treat them as people for they are people. And again, I do agree with you on your analysis, for it makes sense in a realistic manner. Deep within my self intrinsically, I feel that they are not for the most part, acting responsible. And these are the personal guidelines I must use in conducting my life. Charles
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