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Post by joanzaniskey on Jan 30, 2007 0:18:38 GMT -7
To all in denial of reality,
It's time to turn off the suppositions, lofty language and come right down to it. Because you visited gay clubs have gay friends,etc, some are still disturbed by overt gay behavior. Heterosexuals openly kiss and fondle each other. Is that offensive? Or disturbing? Personally, I find public displays of over affection excessive, not because they are, but it's what I was conditioned to believe. I am grateful that my life experiences have taught me that consenting adult sexual relationships are okay and that public displays of love are as well as long as the clothing remains in place. This discourse which originated with a query re an Albany pastor reaching out to homosexual congregants, has now digressed into a debate on the validity of homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle. No substance, only opinions. And I've heard it all before.
Joan
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Post by bescheid on Jan 30, 2007 7:55:18 GMT -7
To all in denial of reality, It's time to turn off the suppositions, lofty language and come right down to it. Because you visited gay clubs have gay friends,etc, some are still disturbed by overt gay behavior. Heterosexuals openly kiss and fondle each other. Is that offensive? Or disturbing? Personally, I find public displays of over affection excessive, not because they are, but it's what I was conditioned to believe. I am grateful that my life experiences have taught me that consenting adult sexual relationships are okay and that public displays of love are as well as long as the clothing remains in place. This discourse which originated with a query re an Albany pastor reaching out to homosexual congregants, has now digressed into a debate on the validity of homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle. No substance, only opinions. And I've heard it all before. Joan Why are you making excuses for homosexuals? Charles
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Post by leslie on Jan 30, 2007 8:37:55 GMT -7
Joanzaniskey wrote
Joan I find those two parts of your posting contradictory, perhaps because I personally do not find the latter part of the quote acceptable to me. I go along with Charles's comments.
Leslie
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Post by leslie on Jan 30, 2007 8:42:55 GMT -7
Jaga How about running one of your polls on this? Acceptance of homosexuals. Acceptance of public displays of homosexuality. Marriage of homosexuals/Lesbians. Adoption by homosexuals/Lesbians. If you are heterosexual, do you have any homosexual/Lesbian friends, Leslie
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Post by pieter on Jan 30, 2007 10:39:47 GMT -7
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Post by kaima on Jan 30, 2007 11:22:19 GMT -7
Jumping back to the original theme, I see nothing wrong with having gay or homosexual people in priesthood or any other occupation / activity. The important thing is that they perform their function and keep their pants zipped and hands to themselves.
It seems quite proper that a church would invite everyone to their services, and particularly welcome sinners. "Holy" people would not seem to need church attendance as much as the sinners do, unless St Peter (or the Great Imam) keeps statistics on ceremonial participation in worship as a criteria for being saved from hell. The only grounds for excluding someone would seem to be if the individuals were disruptive.
As far as God and homosexuality go, is it possible God would create "unnatural" beings?
Kai
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Post by joanzaniskey on Jan 30, 2007 12:02:55 GMT -7
Kai,
No, that is not possible
Joan
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Post by joanzaniskey on Jan 30, 2007 12:15:16 GMT -7
Leslie, Go back and read what I wrote. You took two sentences out of context. I do not excuse homosexuality as there is nothing to excuse. Case closed.
Joan
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Post by leslie on Jan 30, 2007 12:29:44 GMT -7
Kai No, God would not create unnatural beings - blame evolution. As I have said before, as I see it God created the basic form of life and it is up to the developing and developed form of that life that makes who and what we are - back to God followed by Evolution again! Leslie
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Post by bescheid on Jan 30, 2007 13:33:39 GMT -7
Hello joan
Please spare for only a moment a bit of your time. I realize we have not begin on the best of foot, but, it is what we had to work with. I realize also that your intentions were for location of your family in Poland, and your decision to access this forum, was a very correct decision. There are folks here with the ability to help you in a most effective manner in achieving your goals. For some members are Polish Nationals living in the proximity of access you are seeking.
What I am trying to project is: Work smart not hard. The assets you need are living people. Use your people smarts, locate, accommodate, develop your assets, then access the information you require.
You are a person with high intelligence and drive. But, you must modulate your speed with the prevailing conditions that are Germain with the currant and present situation.
Perhaps maybe I am delving in an area that I should simply drop and forget. But, it is not my way, every one is important, and you are important. You are an important contributor to this forum, and you have at your potential, what ever you desire.
We are at the moment, at a cross roads that I am attempting to illuminate to the benefit of your self as well as all. Please consider what this message is about, then let us continue upon the path of friendship and exchange.
{Aller Anfang ist schwer}-Every beginning is difficult-
With Respect
Charles
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Post by george on Jan 30, 2007 16:04:57 GMT -7
Charles i don't think Joan is making excuses for homosexuals. I think it comes down to this. If God dosen't make mistakes then he has some explaining to do. Homosexuality is even in the animal kingdom. If its because its from the evolutionary process, then we must accept it ( i agree with this theory.) As for folks like Ryd who are repulsed by homosexuals making out in public. I agree. I however agree that if two straight couples are making out in public it turns me off as well.. Weather it be her and her significant other ( or me ) or two gays ( we have thousands of words in the English language. if gay turns out to be meaning homosexuality, so be it. We can afford it ). I don't think gays have anything to apologize for. One more thing. Just because you might have had gay friends doesn't mean you don't have hang ups about it. Its like saying, " i have nothing against blacks, some of my best friends are. Doesn't mean you don't hold cetain hang ups.
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Post by Jaga on Jan 30, 2007 16:47:31 GMT -7
I cannot imagine the openly gay man to be a pastor/priest in my church.... I do not like also the excessive sexual behavior - whatever gender it is....
on the other hand I agree that God created gays and gays are very talented, more than straight men in some areas. I still think, they should not show their preferences in overly way.... like some do, for instance during teh gay parades in Germany.
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Post by rdywenur on Jan 30, 2007 16:53:18 GMT -7
My last statement on this issue is to explain the above. By that I meant that it feels to me that everyone is trying to justify their behavior and have removed God or are trying to in their lives and others. No more is God politically correct. All I see is all the wrong escalating in this world. There are children killing children without a blink of an eye. The public has become ruder and cruder. And if people were more closer to God and their churches maybe this discussion wouldn't have come up in the first place. We are even trying to change the Roman Catholic church to fit and benefit ourselves to justify our own behaviour because if you start at the beginning of it people believed in their church more instead of trying to tear it down and were more loving towards one another. I myself don't know the answer to gays except I was raised in an era where I was taught it was wrong. If it is so right then how does one continue man kind since that is impossible in their world. I am not responding to this discusssion anymore after this post.
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Post by bescheid on Jan 30, 2007 17:23:20 GMT -7
Charles i don't think Joan is making excuses for homosexuals. I think it comes down to this. If God dosen't make mistakes then he has some explaining to do. Homosexuality is even in the animal kingdom. If its because its from the evolutionary process, then we must accept it ( i agree with this theory.) As for folks like Ryd who are repulsed by homosexuals making out in public. I agree. I however agree that if two straight couples are making out in public it turns me off as well.. Weather it be her and her significant other ( or me ) or two gays ( we have thousands of words in the English language. if gay turns out to be meaning homosexuality, so be it. We can afford it ). I don't think gays have anything to apologize for. One more thing. Just because you might have had gay friends doesn't mean you don't have hang ups about it. Its like saying, " i have nothing against blacks, some of my best friends are. Doesn't mean you don't hold cetain hang ups. Thank you George for your very well balanced thoughts. It means to my self a good deal, for it balances my own personal feelings. Charles
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Post by joanzaniskey on Jan 31, 2007 13:21:33 GMT -7
Hi Charles and George, Wow, it seems like I've stirred up a firestorm. I did a little research on attitudes of native Poles and the Government of Poland on gays. Check this out www.globalgayz.com/poland. Can't send a link because my cpu is behaving badly so you'll have to type the address into your browser. Amazing stories! And the most amazing part is that Poles who have lived through centuries of despotic rule and attempts to destroy them as a nation would try to do the same to homosexuals for just trying to live openly. Charles, in your post addressed to me, what are you trying to say? While I appreciate your tactfulness, I am also confused by it. If you'd like to converse directly with me, I'll send you my e mail address. Best wishes to you both, Joan
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