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Post by Jaga on Mar 3, 2008 22:10:39 GMT -7
Jaga....Just curious. Whats wrong with being " Pro Choice"? Since 1974 when abortion became legal in this country, i never, never heard of one woman who was forced into a abortion clinic. However, if America becomes ' Pro Life", you can bet that some woman will be forced to give birth. Thats why i have no trouble with the term " Pro Choice ". George, I do not like the term "pro-choice" since this is not a clear opposite meaning of "pro-life". Sorry to tell you but I do not like women to tell me that they have a right to their body, meaning, they have a right to kill the baby. I understand that some women have a difficult conditions and unwanted pregnancy may be difficult. We should give them care and help with adoptions. There are just so many people who would like to adopt the babies!
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Post by jimpres on Mar 3, 2008 22:15:33 GMT -7
Jaga,
Well I guess we will stay put for now. Glad your daughter is having fun.
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Post by Mary on Mar 4, 2008 8:51:03 GMT -7
Jaga,
We have something we agree strongly on!
I often ask when confronted with the controversy..."No one says the woman has to raise the baby, many are eager to adopt. Is 9 months too much for a woman to give up to save a innocent baby?" 9 Months, only 3/4's of a year...................
How selfish has our society become?
Mary
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Post by Jaga on Mar 4, 2008 10:02:04 GMT -7
Mary,
Polish church and bishops organized special housing for these women and also women with small children, so that they will be protected in case they have nowhere else to go. It is important not only tp ban abortion but to help women to cope in the situations they are in.
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Post by rdywenur on Mar 4, 2008 10:10:28 GMT -7
I don't believe religion and politics mix. I am Pro Choice (and a Democrat). I don't tell anyone else how they should live their life and I don't want anyone telling me what I should do with mine let alone my body.
Now about Pro Lifers...they don't believe in taking a life but it was alright for that guy to kill a Doctor that worked in an abortion Clinic. I am not for abortion to be used as a means of birth control but under certain circumstances I believe you should have that choice.
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Post by Jaga on Mar 4, 2008 10:26:35 GMT -7
If I told you my whole story you would label me a liar. I have come to see it all as a gift. I would want to make clear that I have no malice toward women that may have had one and possibly come to regret it. They have a friend here. Hello Tim, once again thanks for sharing. You had to go through a lot. How is your sister doing? Is she still active with social issues?
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Post by Jaga on Mar 4, 2008 10:29:46 GMT -7
I don't believe religion and politics mix. I am Pro Choice (and a Democrat). I don't tell anyone else how they should live their life and I don't want anyone telling me what I should do with mine let alone my body. Now about Pro Lifers...they don't believe in taking a life but it was alright for that guy to kill a Doctor that worked in an abortion Clinic. I am not for abortion to be used as a means of birth control but under certain circumstances I believe you should have that choice. Chris, majority of my friends are like you. They believe that sometimes women have a right to do abortion. Just as you said, I think abortion should not be too easy, like in Russia where this was a birth control. There are sometimes unusual circumstances, like durng the war in Yugoslavia where several women were impregnated by brutal rapes. In this case, even the pope was more understanding. My stance is pro-life not only until a child is born, but until a person is dead. So I am also against unnecessary wars, we have too many.
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Post by leslie on Mar 4, 2008 12:40:56 GMT -7
Jim No problem. I've got several tins of shoe blacking, hair curlers and I can imitate any voice. Do I get a fee for such a professional job I would give you!! Leslie
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Post by rdywenur on Mar 4, 2008 14:44:09 GMT -7
So what are you doing with hair curlers...using it on your mustache. Call him "Mustache Sally"
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Post by george on Mar 4, 2008 15:20:36 GMT -7
Jim " Thou shall Not Kill" Jaga " They have a right to kill their baby." Lets me ask a real tough question. Most Pro Life people consider it murder. Consider this. There is a home invasion in your house. Your 14 year old daughter is brutally raped and impregnated. She pleads to her parents that she does not want to give birth to a child from the beast who raped her. Do you force her to give birth and put up the child up for adoption? Oh i know, there are many Pro Life people who will say " Well, except in the case of rape or insest." That kind of logic makes no sense to me. Because if you think its MURDER, then its MURDER no matter who was the sperm donor. Do i think its moral if a woman obtains an abortion because she slept around? No i don't. However there are several good reasons why some woman have abortions. Be it health, violence, or some other personell tragedy. But what are we going to do? Have a judge ( usually a male ) telling woman OK you can have one but you can't. If its not murder in some cases ( rape or insest ) then its not murder period. Poland has a strict abortion law. Do woman have a problem getting a abortion?? Only if you are broke and destitute. Underground abortions are there for a price and they have these " Bus trips to abortion friendly countries near by" ). Don't be fooled. The only woman who will be FORCED to give birth will be POOR woman. " Thou Shall Not Kill ". Lets see what ones opinion will be if it happens to a loved one or a close relative. Its easy to moralize with abortion. However in my 57 years i learned one thing . So much of life does not fall into the black and white category. So much of it instead falls into the grey area. Let God sort it out.
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Post by rdywenur on Mar 4, 2008 16:01:18 GMT -7
Does anyone really think by having ProLife that it will stop abortions. No so it will go back the way it was and still get done but underground. So now you have other issues....such as safety and illegal abortions by anyone.
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Post by jimpres on Mar 4, 2008 16:19:23 GMT -7
George,
You are correct it is never black and white. There are exceptions to every rule. Each circumstance must be evaluated. In some cases 'real quick' i.e. home invasion. However, without morals we are no more then homo sapiens and do as we please. Don't get me wrong. If you break into my house we will dance.
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Post by uncltim on Mar 4, 2008 19:40:05 GMT -7
I'm back, I was embarrassed by my candor and had to take the day off. I considered editing or deleting my post but could not think of an honest reason to do so.
Freetobe, 1. A sexist,racist, bible thumper. you know, a white male from the midwest. 2. Its politics, anything goes. I am sorry if you were offended, not my intent. I voted for G.W. twice and made a mistake. He is a corporate gangster. Making fun of candidate Hillary does not equal chauvinism, It just doesnt.
Jaga, My sister is still active but she is slowing down a little. Patty is a county board member and is pretty busy trying to find ways to maintain services with limited funds.
On to abortion,
Let me perhaps coin a phrase here, Limited Choice.
Rape, Available, Incest, Available. Medical necessity. Available.
Minors should be required to have consent of at least one parent or legal guardian. This is too important a decision to be left to a child. The court should have the ability to supersede in some cases.
I realize that this is playing both sides,let me explain,
I believe a "fetus" is a full fledged human being. A completely innocent human being. Abortion is not an option to me. I understand that I am a christian man and not everyone shares my belief system in a secular country, thats why Im willing to compromise at all. You live by your rules, I live by mine.
In a functioning democracy everyones opinion matters, regardless of how you arrive at it. Just because my opinion is in part based on faith does not invalidate it. The constitution guards against the government establishing a state religion, Like England had, or Saudi Arabia has. It does not require that Ideas and principals of faith be ignored or disqualified by law.
The murder of abortionists is criminal. NO christian can justify this. I would look the other way If someone crippled his hands however. Im only human.
Roe v Wade was a lawsuit filed by a man who was trying to save his childs life, It has been twisted in to a womans rights lawsuit. Any law that negates the rights of half the population and takes the life of an innocent is unjust by any standard. A feminine taliban if you will.
If you still support Roe v Wade as currently written, then I ask you to please consider taking it to its logical and equitable finish. If a man has no rights to his own reproduction, he then has no responsibility for his offspring.
I suspect many people have heard ideas and issues they probably havent heard before.
I welcome supporting, opposing and irrelevant viewpoints.
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Post by rdywenur on Mar 4, 2008 20:16:26 GMT -7
Uncletim...it took alot for you to say what you did and if you still feel uncomfortable in revealing so much of yourself then by all means delete it. Otherwise there is no need ever to delete "honesty". You may or may not agree with me or I you but we all have our right to our own opinions/views for that is what makes us each individuals.
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Post by uncltim on Mar 4, 2008 20:39:03 GMT -7
Thanks for putting up with my rants, When I write about things Im passionate about I get pretty wound up.Time for some lighter fare.
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