Pawian
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Post by Pawian on May 18, 2008 15:05:53 GMT -7
Kai, I just can't believe my eyes. I will not get into details, but let me just ask you – would you give me ONE example of my attack on Charles. And ONE example of assigning all past German ills and sins of the last 1000 years to Charles. Please do it. Because from my perspective it looks as it was I who was attacked after posting news in this thread. The news that have nothing to do with Charlels. Yes, my sin is that after being attacked for the kind of news I presented, I provided kind of social mirror, responding in a way which could make visible the arrogance I encountered. The arrogance is not lesser if provided by an interesting person, who have been with you for a long time. Thank you anyway for your encouragment to remain here. You shouldn`t give up so easily ;D ;D You are the only ethnic Pole who is active in the forum now and after all it is a Polish forum. good luck! hahahaha
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Post by Atlantis5 on May 18, 2008 16:14:49 GMT -7
Hallo Pawian
For where have you been? I have read of your post, and it was wonderful! I was very much impressed you have returned to assist your friend. But not this to bring you back, nor of my self.
For you are your own person, as of my self. If you truly do care for the folks here, then you would not have left.
For this is where we differ, I think of the many, at expense of my self. But you are a learner, a teacher, you should be here to explain and describe of what you know for the benefit of others. You are trained in this discipline and you are evading your responsibility, and in this stead, dis-appearing to save your precious ego.
Yes, I admit, I am spoilt as a child and as an adult, yes, I know, my country continues my enforced employment at my extreme displeasure, and yes, I am bitter over this and unduly argumental. But, this is the price of achievement. For I do produce with resolve no matter the difficulties. For difficulties are only a technical that requires thinking and techniques of resolution.
As once some time past, I was to describe of some situations with the Serbian prisoners of a matter of resolve of interrogations of that you become very offended by. I was to bring about a pistol to some prisoner ears of first, to pull back the slide and then pose the barrel into his face, with lone last request for information, and we received it very well from this man, with a result of some of his buddies in presence.
It was not a situation of your life at question, it was this mans decision of if he wished live.
Would I have released the hammer? You decide.
Have not you played poker and bluff? What would you do if your prisoner called you on your bluff? Would you lose the entire game? or would you release the hammer of death?
You see my friend Paiwan, I do not bluff.
I miss you on the forum Paiwan, for why not to forget your ego and false pride and return? For you have much to offer that you are not displaying in your actions. Your Lady friend as also.
For your self with your training/education, you may never run from your fears. For to this end, you must face all that you fear, for only in this manner will you over come those devils.
For I am not of your fears, I am only a man. I live and I will die in time, for this is the price of mortality. But I am not afraid, for I know death and his price I have paid.
What ever the events of those to leave this forum and that includes that of your self. You must understand, was of yours and their decision, not mine, but yours.
I will give some what a bit of advice, and only for this occasion, because I like you. Never, never give into your personal fears, for fear is only and allusion, it is nothing.
You are an asset to the forum of here, do return, and with your lady Friend, and please do speak for your self and not flood the forum with photo graphs, but with every day talk, allow your self to the joy of interchange with others of like interest.
For you are an important person in your self, let self out for a change.
Ok, I am still your friend {some what concerned} I will do what I may to help you and promote that what you present..
Charles
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Post by uncltim on May 18, 2008 18:03:47 GMT -7
Tufta, How long did you live in America? Did you go to a University here or were you born here? Your Identity is suspect.
Pawian, Only ethnic Pole on the forum? I can't believe you said it! Perhaps only racially pure Poles should be on the forum? You do realize that there are more people of Polish ancestry living outside Poland than there are people in Poland. Teacher huh?
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Post by jimpres on May 18, 2008 18:29:53 GMT -7
something to think about. ethnic Pole Person whose ethnic heritage is West Slavic and whose native language is Polish. I'm sure Pawian is not the only one on the forum in this category.
Jim
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Post by Pawian on May 18, 2008 22:30:21 GMT -7
Hallo Pawian For where have you been? I have read of your post, and it was wonderful! I was very much impressed you have returned to assist your friend. Friend? No, I don`t know him so much as to be his friend. But from what he said I presumed he is Polish and hence my solidarity. I showed the same Solidarity with Livia, remember? Very tricky argumentation. Transferring the blame again? You are the master in it, Charles! hahahaha I am a teacher but first of all I am a Pole and I am fed up with the way Poles are treated in the Polish forum. I wasn`t offended, I was only disgusted at your bragging about it. It showed a man full of complexes who needs to brag about such things in order to repair his ego. If I were you, I would stop advertising this event. A warning??? hahahahahahahaha Charles, how about you forgetting your false German pride and allowing Poles to write about WW2 happenings? Really, you can`t turn the tide, which is still going strong. You will repeatedly go under water, swimming against mainstream. Is it a nice feeling to go under water, like now? So far my prevailing fear is that everybody should get the same treat. I treat my students fair, they love me for that, I treat my kids fair, and I expect others to treat each other fair. And here you are not fair if you don`t allow tufta write what he wants. Yes, it was their independent decision, but caused by you. Do you take pleasure when such a thing occurs? Does it repair your ego? Sorry, Charles but photos are my specialty. You have stayed so long in American but didnt` learn yet the proverb: a picture is worth thousand words?
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Post by Pawian on May 18, 2008 23:29:10 GMT -7
Tufta, How long did you live in America? Did you go to a University here or were you born here? Your Identity is suspect. hahahaha yes, Tufta, you agent provocateur, reveal your identity at once, or a pistol will be put against your forehead, and remember, some people don`t bluff here. Dear Tim, it was freetube, if I remember correctly, who stated that you have problems with proper comprehension of the text. ;D Don`t guess too many meanings in what I have written. Did I suggest that only pure Poles can be in the forum?? Of course not. What I meant was an amusing fact that in the Polish forum which has been running for two years now (even more if we consider the early beginnings somewhere else) there is only one active ethnic Pole, i.e. a person born and living in Poland and one who can give first hand info about the country at once. All the others are gone. No, it`s not true, of course, if we talk about people who consciously feel bound to Poland and Polish identity. Current Polonia, including old emigrants with Polish roots, their children who identify themselves as Polish and the newest ones, who were born and raised in Poland but chose emigration, is estimated at 12 -15 million. The population of Poland is 38 million. Have you noticed that I have just taught you something? ;D ;D ;D yes, I am a teacher, but call me "teach" for short, it will be easier. ;D Hurry up with replying because the thread will be soon closed. ;D ;D
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Post by Pawian on May 18, 2008 23:37:24 GMT -7
something to think about. ethnic Pole Person whose ethnic heritage is West Slavic and whose native language is Polish. Yes, the person who was born and raised in Poland, basked in Polish traditions, observed Polish customs, probably religious too, learned Polish at school, read Polish literature etc etc. I guess tufta is one but I may be wrong. Jim, wake up, it`s about tufta now, not me. No, he isn`t the only one ( I suppose), there is still Jaga, but she doesn`t count because she is the head, while the discussion concerns members.
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Post by tufta on May 19, 2008 1:00:45 GMT -7
Tufta, How long did you live in America? Did you go to a University here or were you born here? Your Identity is suspect. At once, officer! I lived in America some 7-8 times, each time around one week with one exception when I lived 4 weeks. I did go to university there every time I lived in America, but once. Is my identity cleared now? Now, let me return the question. How long did you live in Poland. Did you go to a university here or were you born here?
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Post by tufta on May 19, 2008 1:07:13 GMT -7
I am indeed Polish, and living in Poland. Btw- thanks to your posts I got express education about the character of this board. And I can better understad your allusions. Thank you. Also for your humor which was like a breath of fresh air. I agree with Charles, who seems a little less p....... off lately - it would be nice to read more of your posts. And not just for their content but for the rare quality of English. Who thinks clearly speaks clearly
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Post by jimpres on May 19, 2008 6:33:26 GMT -7
Pawian,
Being ethnic did not say being born and raised in Poland. Read the definition again. It only said your heritage was slavic and native language is Polish.
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Post by wayneprice on May 19, 2008 21:23:32 GMT -7
Tufta, Thanks for letting us all know about the "Executioners of Warsaw alive". An important concept that none of us can afford to ever loose is that our respective countries have all done things we can look back in hind-sight and say should NEVER have been done, but they were, they have been, and more than likely, in the total insanity of war will occur again! And those that are alive that committed those acts of insanity need to be held accountable. This discussion trail also brings up the issue of how do we discuss openly things like the atrocities of Warsaw, Nanking, Dresden, etc, etc WITHOUT taking it personally? How can we as adults look at FACTS in history that are to us today morally offensive and not to even try to defend them? How do we realize and accept that our countries TODAY are not the same as 50, 75, 100 or 200 years ago? Does anyone think that the United States of 2008 is the same as the United States of 1908? That the Germany of today is the same as 1933? That the Poland of today is the same Poland of 1958? I cannot condone a lot of the things my country has done in the past, and cannot and will not accept personal responsibility for things that were done in the name of my country that I had no hand in. My God, my country does things now that I'm not proud of, but I will not accept the responsibility for that! For instance, is there any doubt in anyones mind that the American Revolutionaries of 1776 would be labeled terrorists today? I hope this raises the discussions to a much less personal and far more theoretical level.
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Post by Pawian on May 20, 2008 0:15:16 GMT -7
Pawian, Being ethnic did not say being born and raised in Poland. Read the definition again. It only said your heritage was slavic and native language is Polish. Jim, you presented your definition of an ethnic Pole, and I provided mine. I will say it again: I consider an ethnic Pole someone who was born, raised and educated in Poland, speaks Polish as a native language and to top it all, currently resides in Poland and is able to provide first hand info on events which are taking place there. Can I stick to my definition as I deem it is more appropriate? And, in result, I consider it strange that after 2 or more years the forum has only one active member like that. Why don`t you change the name to Polish Culture Forum for American Polonia?
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Post by Pawian on May 20, 2008 0:21:32 GMT -7
Tufta, Thanks for letting us all know about the "Executioners of Warsaw alive". An important concept that none of us can afford to ever loose is that our respective countries have all done things we can look back in hind-sight and say should NEVER have been done, but they were, they have been, and more than likely, in the total insanity of war will occur again! And those that are alive that committed those acts of insanity need to be held accountable. This discussion trail also brings up the issue of how do we discuss openly things like the atrocities of Warsaw, Nanking, Dresden, etc, etc WITHOUT taking it personally? How can we as adults look at FACTS in history that are to us today morally offensive and not to even try to defend them? How do we realize and accept that our countries TODAY are not the same as 50, 75, 100 or 200 years ago? Does anyone think that the United States of 2008 is the same as the United States of 1908? That the Germany of today is the same as 1933? That the Poland of today is the same Poland of 1958? I cannot condone a lot of the things my country has done in the past, and cannot and will not accept personal responsibility for things that were done in the name of my country that I had no hand in. My God, my country does things now that I'm not proud of, but I will not accept the responsibility for that! For instance, is there any doubt in anyones mind that the American Revolutionaries of 1776 would be labeled terrorists today? I hope this raises the discussions to a much less personal and far more theoretical level. Wayne, I respect your attempt to hush emotions. You are an honourable man. However, there is one major flaw in your post. Why did you address it to Tufta, while it should have been wholly addressed to Charles??? Everything what you are writing about concerns not Tufta`s standard post pertaining to the history of WW2 but Charles` harsh response to it. BTW, I consider it really funny that Charles respended so emotionally to the post which discussed the unpunished war criminals. Why did Charles react in that way? ;D Any idea?
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Post by tufta on May 20, 2008 3:58:33 GMT -7
Tufta, Thanks for letting us all know about the "Executioners of Warsaw alive". An important concept that none of us can afford to ever loose is that our respective countries have all done things we can look back in hind-sight and say should NEVER have been done, but they were, they have been, and more than likely, in the total insanity of war will occur again! And those that are alive that committed those acts of insanity need to be held accountable. This discussion trail also brings up the issue of how do we discuss openly things like the atrocities of Warsaw, Nanking, Dresden, etc, etc WITHOUT taking it personally? How can we as adults look at FACTS in history that are to us today morally offensive and not to even try to defend them? How do we realize and accept that our countries TODAY are not the same as 50, 75, 100 or 200 years ago? Does anyone think that the United States of 2008 is the same as the United States of 1908? That the Germany of today is the same as 1933? That the Poland of today is the same Poland of 1958? I cannot condone a lot of the things my country has done in the past, and cannot and will not accept personal responsibility for things that were done in the name of my country that I had no hand in. My God, my country does things now that I'm not proud of, but I will not accept the responsibility for that! For instance, is there any doubt in anyones mind that the American Revolutionaries of 1776 would be labeled terrorists today? I hope this raises the discussions to a much less personal and far more theoretical level. I knew I knew I knew there must be common sense and understanding in the group of 300+ Thank you very much wayneprice. To personal responsibility for the deeds of my country. My personal view is that having no hand in the deed's of my country is too less for feeling no responsibility. In order to feel not responsible I would have to actively oppose, or at least demonstrate my disagreement for certain things I don't like that the state authorities do. Otherwise I am at least passive observer of the misdeeds. And passive observer of a misdeed is responsible. Well, just my point of view.
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Post by tufta on May 20, 2008 4:04:47 GMT -7
Pawian, Being ethnic did not say being born and raised in Poland. Read the definition again. It only said your heritage was slavic and native language is Polish. Jim, you presented your definition of an ethnic Pole, and I provided mine. I will say it again: I consider an ethnic Pole someone who was born, raised and educated in Poland, speaks Polish as a native language and to top it all, currently resides in Poland and is able to provide first hand info on events which are taking place there. Can I stick to my definition as I deem it is more appropriate? And, in result, I consider it strange that after 2 or more years the forum has only one active member like that. Why don`t you change the name to Polish Culture Forum for American Polonia? Pawian, if it is really as you say, the reason is simple. It is conscious policy of the board authorities. I tasted it already from the hand of Kai. Kai, do you hear me?
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